Special Guest: Brian "Ponch" Rivera - Founder, AGLX Consulting

Spatial Web AI Podcast Episode 4

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Spatial Web AI Podcast Episode 4

NEW EPISODE: Special Guest – Brian “Ponch” Rivera – Founder, AGLX Consulting, Creator of The Flow System, and Co-Host of the No Way Out Podcast


What is Active Inference AI? What is the Free Energy Principle (FEP)? And what do they have to do with Brian’s Flow System? – Find out in this episode of the Spatial Web AI Podcast by Denise Holt.


A former navy pilot, Brian discusses his work in the agile community. He explains that he started a consulting firm, AGLX, to improve Scrum and Agile practices. He also introduces his concept of the Flow System, which focuses on team interactions and is influenced by complexity theory and distributed leadership. Brian talks about his TED Talk in Budapest on design for flow and mentions the loss of Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, who coined the idea of flow from psychological flow. He describes how AGLX has expanded its focus beyond Agile and Scrum to include topics such as safety, innovation, artificial intelligence, psychedelic therapy, and fifth-generation warfare. Brian also discusses his podcast, No Way Out, centered around John Boyd’s work on the OODA Loop and attracting guests from various disciplines. Denise asks Brian about the flow system’s development and its connection to complex adaptive systems thinking. They talk about how interactions matter more than frameworks in creating agility within organizations. Brian emphasizes understanding one’s external environment to develop effective strategies through an internal model or map. This aligns with concepts like active inference principles discussed in recent readings related to AI, autism research, psychedelics research, category theory, etc., which have connections with Boyd’s OODA Loop framework.


  • Brian discusses the creation of the Flow System and its purpose
  • They talk about the importance of context in understanding
  • Active Inference and Cognitive Task Analysis
  • Brian explains the concept of active inference
  • He discusses cognitive task analysis and how it helps in understanding
  • Brian emphasizes the need for individuals to develop an internal map of their external world.
  • They discuss the role of large language models and the need for active engagement.
  • Brian talks about the importance of effective debriefing and creating psychological safety.
  • They discuss the process of synthesizing and analyzing new information.
  • Brian mentions the importance of language and stories in shaping our perception of the world.
  • Brian shares a simple reading exercise to highlight the importance of context.
  • They discuss the challenge of getting the attention of leaders in organizations.
  • Brian mentions the use of active inference AI and rapid feedback in technical skills training.
  • They talk about the benefits of using large language models for learning.
  • Brian mentions the concept of cognitive warfare.
  • They discuss the importance of keeping context rich with data without interpretation.
  • Brian emphasizes the importance of finding new information that changes the way we view the world.
  • Brian emphasizes the importance of learning about what makes us human
Special thank you to Brian, for being on our show!

Check out our other Episodes and watch all the videos in our YouTube Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn more about the Spatial Web and Active Inference AI.

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Denise Holt

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